Outreach Associates - you suck, and phones suck too!
UPDATE 8/8/08: I have received a number of responses to this post and most of the recent ones have indicated Outreach have answered their phones and been helpful in taking details to remove users from their lists. None have indicated if they were actually removed - I guess that can be difficult to assess even if calls stop. However I stand by my frustration with the original experience and the general point about how technologically backward our phone system is after over 100 years of development.
About a week ago I got a call on my cell phone from a 1-800 number on the weekend, I didn't recognize it (well I don't recognize any 800 numbers of course) so I didn't answer. Later in the day I missed another call and went to check my phone call history and there were three calls from the same 1-800 number. When I got another call from them the next day I Googled the number and found out they were some company calling on behalf of charities. Turns out they are making lots of calls to people, and their cell phones and like most telesales calls are pissing off a lot of people. See the pages of history and bitterness at 800notes.com.
During the week I had a bunch more calls from them - now I knew it was some charity related call I wanted to know who so I could bitch and moan about them calling my cellphone at times when I'd be running up a bill for it. However after three attempts I could never get them to answer, the line would just go dead. Eventually today I called the number back and got an automated response that indicated they were a company called "Outreach Associates" and they would do EVERYTHING they could to fulfill my requests, all I had to do was leave my full name and phone number because they do not have caller ID.
It turns out that Outreach Associates is a DBA for Direct Advantage Marketing of Pittsburgh Pensylvania. They claim they have been in the business of tele-fundraising for 15 years - so I guess they are taking their time getting caller ID to log calls from irate "donors". A little bit more research (yes, that's what I call Googling) shows that they are what is known in this country as a "commercial fundraiser". They get state licenses and call on behalf of charities, usually for a hefty premium - according to Washington State only 46% of the $6,7 million they collected in 2005 reached the charities they were fund raising for, so a cool $3.7 million went into their pocket for calling irate consumers on the weekend, mornings and evenings.
At this point I have to recall the title of this Blog - "The long dark tech time of the soul" - and sigh a deep sigh that this is even an issue. Just how long has the telephone been in existence? Just how long has digital communications been pretty much ubiquitous? Just how much do I pay for a cellphone each month? And yet I still can't block these nuisance callers from wasting my time and money? It really goes to show that the telephone has evolved little if not not at all beyond the quagmire of email spam that we all have to endure daily. I'll put email issues down to geek naivety (that anyone other than the intellectual few would ever have an interest in their little messaging protocol), however telephones being this retarded after over a 100 years is plain and simply a cruel and unusually accurate statement of the human failing to "get it".
I mean, just what am I paying for here? Just why cannot I have a feature to receive phone calls from only those people known to me? Why must I pay for incoming calls from stranger? And why do cellphone companies who make tens of billions each year claim there is nothing they can do? One answer might be "because they are ignorant monkeys who don't know any better" - and that's doing an injustice to the monkeys. Another might be that cellphone companies have ever interest to deliver ever call possible because its a win-win revenue opportunity for them.
And why do legislators exclude fundraisers from do not call lists? No, I wont defame monkeys here, I will just say that they are greedy hand in someone elses pocket financial dependents of lobbies that depend on such "anomalies" for their livelihood - in the case of Outreach Associates to the tune of three million plus dollars a year, and they are but the tip of the iceberg. Oh that people might have to voluntarily pick up the phone or pull up a web page to make a willing and completely voluntary contribution to their campaign funds... what a wonderful and pure concept that might be.
So, let me just say for the record, in case you might think I'm one to mince my words:
Outreach Associates (aka Direct Advantage Marketing of Pennsylvania) - YOU SUCK
Cell phone carriers who pretend they can't block these calls at next to no cost - YOU SUCK
Legislaters who are too afraid to ban all unsolicited phone calls - YOU SUCK
Now at this point I should point out if I was just slightly more subversive than I am I would at this point go off and write a virus. An inanely stupid virus I grant, yet beautiful in its purity of purpose. It would do little more than propagate itself throughout the worlds computers, laying low for months, if not years until infection was almost completely ubiquitous. Then one sunny day it would unleash the hounds of righteous retribution and dial on every computer still attached to a telephone, and digitally on everyone not, the number 1-800-391-7048 and wait for an answer - then dial over, and over, and over, and over again... 'till the cows come home. Mooohahahahahahahahahahaha!
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12 Comments:
Glad I erad your blog. These people are driving me nuts too! I get calls from all sorts of 866 numbers, all of which are OUtreach Assholiates. We have to find a way to stpo them.
Maybe the leadership at this company, also known as Direct Marketing Advantage, need to hear how these unwanted calls affect people:
Lisa Drane, Vice President of Client Services, has over 14 years of experience in fundraising program management in the non-profit world. Lisa leads our client services and operations efforts and manages client accounts on a daily basis with the support of Mary Ann Gamble, Senior Director of Client Services.
Sheila Hollums, Vice President of the Call Center, oversees the entire calling floor, which includes all of the campaign managers and callers. She has eight years of call center management experience.
I've been getting calls from 866 numbers for a couple weeks now at all hours of the day and evening. Just this morning I thought I would call a couple of them and yes, they were all Outreach Associates asking for my name and number in the message that played when called. I hung up steamed and Googled them and found you. This has to stop. Any company that can all randomly like this for money ought to have a listed owner or President that could be notified that their plan does not work and maybe they could cross off the numbers that just are no way going to give money. Otherwise, is this not just harassment and isn't that illegal?
I checked on their website. Outreach Assocates is part of Direct Advantage Marketing. You can email them at information@dam.com. I do not know if it will do any good, but I emailed them and told them to remove my phone number from their list, with the threat that if they continue to call I will be contacting my Congressmen and the FCC.
Good lord people. This is EASILY fixed and I cant believe you are writing this stuff when you can fix this problem with ease. Call them...their number is 412-381-2300 and press the prompt that says "speak to a manager"...ask for Tim Green...he will tell you which company you are on their calling list for...mine happened to be for tickets that i purchased...and he will remove you immediately. they are not "out to get you" and they will take care of this problem right away. instead of writing a NOVEL, look them up and call someone...this is so easy.
Anonymous I'm glad you found getting rid of them simple and painless but you completely missed the point(s)
a) they are calling me on my cellphone and I never asked them too in the first place. I have NEVER received a fund raising call on my cell before or since and never want to.
b) I was not able to reach Outreach the first three times I called - not even an automated response, just how hard should it be? Even on the fourth attempt I still got an automated response that was, to all intents and purposes a phishing expedition - there was no information to indicate they were legitimate and not, say, some bogus lottery or Nigerian banking scam.
c) there is no simple way provided by carriers to block their calls or unsolicited callers in general even though it would be trivial to do so. Carriers have no incentive to block any call until consumers demand it and sue them - as has recently occurred with unsolicited text messages.
To what lengths should your average phone user have to go to stop them doing something that you never wanted them to do? If I called your cellphone multiple times and then you tried calling me back three separate times and got a hangup on each do you think you'd be pissed off? I think you would.
I've probably had fifty calls in the past week. ONCE someone was there when I answered and he said my # would be removed, but apparently not. So now I'm calling the number and "at the beep" I park the phone in front of a blaring radio, or shake a coke can full of pennies. Just got back from trying to find a whistle, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.
i found your blog by googling "Outreach Associates" and i'm glad i did. i read all the posts and decided the most logical and sane way to attempt to resolve this problem is to take the "anonymous" advice to contact Direct Advantage Marketing at 412-381-2300 and request they remove my number from all lists maintained by their organization. i did exactly that just now and the gentleman i spoke to was quite polite and told me it would take approx. 7-11 days for my number to be complete scrubbed from their database. Reasonable enough. I'll be back on your blog if it continues! :)
I just called them at 412-381-2300, pressed 4 to speak with a supervisor and they very nicely and calmly removed my number from their call list. The also identified the organization that they were calling for. Nothing evil about their behavior
I just called the 412 number, and glad the person who wrote earlier educated us on it....basically if you have given before in the past to any causes, or organizations: such as PBS, Democratic Natl committee, Habitat for Humanity, etc., etc., you are on a list....they will gladly take you off...I feel soo relieved! you will too!
I actually worked for the Dam company (direct advantage marketing). The place was a boiler room. We actually were told to get peoples credit card numbers at all costs. If the peron was hesitant, we'd give them some 800 number to give thier number "safely" then we'd run over to the call managers desk and theyd pretend to be the company. it was terrible, they'd then give us their number to put in.
I'm glad I read this blog...it was, however, after I had already called and spoke to an operator at the company. Thier list of clients is extensive, so any number of charitable organizations may use them to solicit you for donations. And by the way...it does work...over $12 million in donations. We may hate telemarketers, but it is a very profitable business. Anyway, the operator was extremely polite and helpful and although I had to use my own time to research this and make the call, it was nice to have been met with a cordial voice. Better than those Police and Firefighter solicitations that hang up on you and treat you like crap.
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