The Long Dark Tech-Time of the Soul

This is a technology focused blog that describes my trials and tribulations with techonlogy which, no matter what brave new world is promised to be just around the corner, nearly always fails to live up to expectations.

Wednesday, August 01, 2007

On the road to a new PC - All hail Minimax!

It looks like my plans to get a new PC to replace my circa 2001 top of the line "Minime" system are finally taking shape. I've pretty much decided to not get an off the shelf Dell system even though I was very pleased with my previous two Dell purchases. That decision is mostly because I've been thinking too much about system power consumption, fretting that I wouldn't be able to get the latest lower power G-0 stepping Q6600 processor, worrying about how efficient the PSU would be, and from there well it all spiraled out of my control to the point where I didn't want Dell to make all those decisions. Now I've decided tocustom build my new machine which I'll call "Minimax" in honour of its design goal to consume less power and deliver more performance.

So today I spotted a Toms Hardware review of Intel G33 chipset motherboards which really educated me on some issues relevant to my new PC search. This chip set includes a pretty powerful integrated graphics processor, the GMA 3100 which in and of itself is more than plenty for my home theater/HDTV requirements. It also supports all front side bus speeds, processors and memory configurations I could care about, and will care about in the near future (it is 45nm Penryn compatible) and because it has integrated graphics there are a good number of MicroATX format boards. MicroATX works for me because I'd like something small than the standard "mini-tower" size, but I'm not really interested in a cube or HTPC format case - to my mind they compromise too much on the airflow side and tend to run everything hotter than it needs to be.

Another thing the Tom's review told me was power consumption of a complete system (sans monitor) based around each of the three boards they reviewed. I was pretty impressed to find all boards came in under 90W at idle (and one at only 76W thanks to a less capable power regulator) which compared to the 138W of Minime is impressive. In fact even fully loaded after 90 minutes none of these systems came close to the 174W that Minime uses - the most power hungry came to 150W - barely more than Minime at idle! Now granted the system was using only a 1.8Ghz E2160 dual core processor (not Core2) which has an idle power of around 8W, but even adding another 16W for a Q6600 G-0 stepping chip that's still pretty good. And if I want I can choose one of the higher spec dual cores (up to around 2.4Ghz per core) without bumping up the idle power at all.

Now a good deal of the power saving in that total system is undoubtedly due to the integrated graphics and I've now decided that is a good thing. I really don't play games that often and gaming boards get better and cheaper all the time - if I ever feel like getting into gaming then I can easily add a graphics card later on. A motherboard with onboard graphics also saves me money because my current graphics card is AGP based and hence useless in a modern PCI Express system (I can probably still sell it for $50 on eBay).

So of the boards that Tom's Hardware reviewed I was most attracted to the Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2H which has an outstanding set of ports - basically everything I really wanted and some. I'm wondering why on earth people are still building motherboard with only an analog video connector? Whatever the rationale I was really pleased the Gigabyte board had DVI-D not to mention analog VGA and HDMI. In addition it has the S/PDIF optical out that I need because my tuner lacks coax S/PDIF or discret 5.1 inputs, and the mobo also has eSATA for adding "good as internal speed" external drives - great for high capacity backup, and last but not least it has gigabit ethernet (although that is standard with the G33 chipset).

Unfortunately for me the article also talked about the forthcoming Intel G35 chipset that supersedes the G33 by using the new Intel GX3500 graphics adapter. This adds full HDVD/BluRay support, hardware 3:2 pulldown correction, WM9 decoding support (good for movies), DX10 compatibility and better 3D performance - although I've since read that the DX10 compatibility will be a while coming because it is dependent on software drivers that may not be ready until 2008. Oh well, I've no real need for Dx10 now, but having that extra performance may further delay the day when I'm tempted to get that extra power hungry graphics card for occasional gaming sessions (ummmm, Unreal Tournament 3....)

So I'm really thinking that I should wait for the G35 to appear and find an appropriate board based on it. The thing is those boards are out there in the pipeline - I've already discovered there is going to be a GA-G35M-DS2R board from Gigabyte - there's an Italian video on YouTube that shows one at Computex 2007 (in Taiwan) and a photo or two of the board out there as well. I haven't managed to locate specs but if its a straight G35 upgrade of the Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2H then its probably exactly what I want, the only question then is when? If its Q3 as promised I'll be happy, but then again Q3 is almost over and there is no sign of it on sale yet.

I've also found a set of photos of new motherboards that indicate what the competition is up to with G35 chipset boards. So by the time I ready to buy I may have to also consider some of the following G35 boards:
  • Albatron PXG35
  • Asus G35
  • Biostar G35D2-M7
  • ECS G35T-M
  • FoxconnG35M-S
  • Jetway G35DAG-PB
  • MSI G35
The only major manufacturer I can think of that's missing in that list is Abit. I'm just hoping the selection of ports available on those systems will make my choice pretty much a no-brainer. From the photos available it seems that few if any of them include DVI-D or even HDMI - I just don't get that...

Now while I wait for G35-Mobo-mas to arrive (Christmas for G35 motherboards) I just have to figure which quiet micro-ATX case and energy efficient power supply to get, and then choose between a Core2 Duo or Core2 Quad processor. Oh decisions, decisions. Fortunately on the processor side the longer I can wait the cheaper it will be!

6 Comments:

Anonymous Soze said...

Nice post...

About the upcoming GIGABYTE GA-G35M-DS2R: I guess it will be comparable to the current GA-G33M-DS2R and NOT the GA-G33M-S2H, that means: no eSATA, no optical S/PDIF out, no DVI and no HDMI.

Also note that the current Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2H does not support PCIe x16. Although it has a PCIe x16 slot, it is limited to PCIe x4 only. This board also supports no RAID (ICH9 instead of ICH9R northbride).

2:02 PM  
Blogger Blog Gently said...

Oh rats! I'm sure you're right - I supposed I have to hope for a GA-G35M-S2H because there is no way I'm going to by a mobo without DVI-D or S/PDIF (although a single HDMI port would obsolete both those if I had an HDMI compatible tuner).

I'm tempted to just get on with it and get the G33M-S2H, but I think I can wait to see what else the other board manufacturers roll out.

The lack of x16 support is news to me - I guess I need to read the specs more closely since I had no idea that an x16 slot could be crippled in that way. I hope its not the case for all G33 and G35 chipset boards.

Thanks for the input!

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Soze said...

The G33M-S2H is the only board I found that has the crippled x16 slot, all other G33 boards I looked at (gone through specs especially for this) did have normal x16 slots. I do not understand why Gigabyte did this; the ICH9 chipset has enough PCIe lanes available...

For me also an option is the Intel DG33TLM, it is also a G33 mATX board and has optical s/pdif and DVI on the back panel (and eSATA via an included bracket). Probably it will however not be possible to overclock with this board, but I can live with that.

6:11 AM  
Blogger Blog Gently said...

Also a good find - I hadn't even thought of looking at Intel's G33 offering. It stands to reason they will have a G35 based mobo to look at too.

Plus I'm pretty sure that Shuttle will jump on the G35 bandwaggon pretty switftly too. Their G33 system looks good... but I'd be happier if I could buy the mobo on its own - it seems they don't sell their mobos without a box any more.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm looking to buy a GA-G33M-S2H because it's the only mATX board that offers DVI and HDMI ports too. Do you know if it's out in the UK and if not when it will be?

9:54 AM  
Blogger Blog Gently said...

Anonymous - Giga-byte.co.uk says that they sell the S2H version but when I looked at their list of UK retailers, resellers and distributors I couldn't find any that sold it, only the -S2 version that doesn't have DVI. I suggest you check the list yourself and call a few to find out if they will be getting the S2H version soon. See http://tinyurl.com/33ye2f

5:28 PM  

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